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This show has never jumped. I honestly don't understand people who watch this show and then complain that you never get any answers. The show would be boring if it answered everything easily. For God sake, show a little patience, if you're a fan, stick with it. If, after seven seasons, the end conclusion is not to your satisfaction then by all means complain then. The end to series 4 had me gripped throughout and the climax to that show genuinely shocked me and now I can't wait for series 5!
Cryptid:
How can you think Whitmore didn't know they were on the island. That he may have thought the "Others" were the only people on the island did you miss the whole episode where he put a fake plane wreckage in the ocean to make it seem they were all dead? Duh
How can you think Whitmore didn't know they were on the island. That he may have thought the "Others" were the only people on the island did you miss the whole episode where he put a fake plane wreckage in the ocean to make it seem they were all dead? Duh
WOW-this board is all about LOST theories,instead of Jumping The Shark items.Read the FAQs, to learn what Jumped The Shark means.
The LOST characters have spent 4 seasons trying to get off the island,and the last episode shows them getting off!! It is all downhill from here! It's not really worth wasting my time on it any more.
The LOST characters have spent 4 seasons trying to get off the island,and the last episode shows them getting off!! It is all downhill from here! It's not really worth wasting my time on it any more.
end of season 3, after that the story got ridiculous, now its a total joke. i feel like the writers are just patronising us now
What ever happened to the polar bears? Is Charlie still dating Kate in real life? I'm sure this show has jumped, I just can't put my finger on when it was. But it clearly is not as much fun to watch anymore.
It has become a Semi-SciFi show and some of you can't handle that I get it already. So stop going "Oh God they moved the island and thats so unrealistic and Jacobs Cabin and blah blah" A show does not have to be realistic to be good!
This show USED to be about survivors of a plane crash on a deserted island, but now it's more of a sci-fi bad dream full of melodrama. How is Hurley still fat after being on the island so long with limited food and water? The jumped the shark when they put Kate and Sawyer in cages and had them procreate like animals. Please. And now the show is more a flash-forward than real-time and back-flashes. I'm glad this show is ending soon. It's so unrealistic and unreasonable.
One more thing and then I promise I'll shut up for a while. 
Does anyone else think that the characters have become much more one dimensional since the first season, and miss the intense interaction the "core" group had then? Jack started out as a heroic man with control and anger issues, and Sawyer was a selfish grifter with flashes of a conscience. Now they both seem like generic leading man/action figures. Kate's gone from a leader with grit and a hint of menace to a stereotypical "woman in jeopardy" who's only real plot and motivation concerns her increasingly annoying "Jack/Sawyer" dilemma. Claire might as well not even been on the show the last couple of seasons, and Jin and Sun have been reduced to doing little else beyond worrying about "the baby". Locke, once a mysterious, dichotomous figure, now seems kind of like Ben's whipping boy.
I REALLY miss the clashes between Jack and Locke (and Jack and Sawyer), and all the interactions we used to love so much. All this emphasis on Ben and the Others and the "rescuers" has muddied the water too much. I'm sorry, but it's way too late in the game for me to really care about Charlotte, or even Juliet. I keep wishing they'd reignite the old fires in the original cast, but I think it's too late for that. Half of the cast barely seems to have scenes with each other now, and from now on the focus is going to have to be on the "revelations" of the island, and finding it again. Something changed about halfway through Season Two, and my guess is the increasing involvement of new writers, and the decreasing involvement of JJ Abrams, Damon Lindelof, and Carlton Cuse.
Oh well, still here, still hoping...
Does anyone else think that the characters have become much more one dimensional since the first season, and miss the intense interaction the "core" group had then? Jack started out as a heroic man with control and anger issues, and Sawyer was a selfish grifter with flashes of a conscience. Now they both seem like generic leading man/action figures. Kate's gone from a leader with grit and a hint of menace to a stereotypical "woman in jeopardy" who's only real plot and motivation concerns her increasingly annoying "Jack/Sawyer" dilemma. Claire might as well not even been on the show the last couple of seasons, and Jin and Sun have been reduced to doing little else beyond worrying about "the baby". Locke, once a mysterious, dichotomous figure, now seems kind of like Ben's whipping boy.
I REALLY miss the clashes between Jack and Locke (and Jack and Sawyer), and all the interactions we used to love so much. All this emphasis on Ben and the Others and the "rescuers" has muddied the water too much. I'm sorry, but it's way too late in the game for me to really care about Charlotte, or even Juliet. I keep wishing they'd reignite the old fires in the original cast, but I think it's too late for that. Half of the cast barely seems to have scenes with each other now, and from now on the focus is going to have to be on the "revelations" of the island, and finding it again. Something changed about halfway through Season Two, and my guess is the increasing involvement of new writers, and the decreasing involvement of JJ Abrams, Damon Lindelof, and Carlton Cuse.
Oh well, still here, still hoping...
I'd like to address two issues here, if I may.
First, can we dispense with the notion that if you criticize the show you are a "hater" and should stop watching it? While I agree that some of the REALLY angry posters might be better served by going elsewhere, there's a huge contingent of us that do love the show (or at least the original concept of it) and criticize it on that basis. Like a concerned family member who sees the great potential in a family member who's gone astray, some of us were so enamored of the show's incredible originality, writing, themes, characterization and overall tone that we yearn for a return to that magic time in the show's history. We haven't given up on it yet, and see glimpses of its former glory that we wish to reignite.
Secondly, I want to address this notion of Ben as a "good guy". He's not. Just placing him in the proximity of the murderers from the ship and giving him "common enemies" with the Losties doesn't mean he's anything approaching a hero. His actions have shown that he could care less about them, in fact, that he could care less about anything other than holding onto his pathetic grip of power and his precious secrets. He's been hurt in his life, certainly, but he chose to become hateful and greedy as a result and more than a little sociopathic. He feels he's "better" than the Losties, the Others, Widmore, anyone really. He's an interesting character, I'll grant that, but I think the overwhelming emphasis on him really has undermined the potential for us ever to feel confident that the revelations about the island are, or will be, true. Consider this; the only two people who ever reveal anything about the island are Ben and Widmore. Ben is a pathological liar who's forays into the truth are self serving and half hearted, if true at all. Widmore's an obsessed billionaire who didn't seem to balk at mass murder in order to get Ben (though I'm not totally convinced Widmore knew that Keamy would be slaughtering 815 survivors, he may have assumed the only ones still there would be "others"; not that that makes it OK, but a bit less horrible considering that the "others" are pretty awful themselves). So nothing that either one says can really be taken as gospel, and that essential uncertainty about the veracity of their claims could lead to eventual disappointment. If they are the only "oracles" of the island, and neither of them can be trusted, how will we know at the end of the show if we have really "learned" anything?
Just my two cents worth,
First, can we dispense with the notion that if you criticize the show you are a "hater" and should stop watching it? While I agree that some of the REALLY angry posters might be better served by going elsewhere, there's a huge contingent of us that do love the show (or at least the original concept of it) and criticize it on that basis. Like a concerned family member who sees the great potential in a family member who's gone astray, some of us were so enamored of the show's incredible originality, writing, themes, characterization and overall tone that we yearn for a return to that magic time in the show's history. We haven't given up on it yet, and see glimpses of its former glory that we wish to reignite.
Secondly, I want to address this notion of Ben as a "good guy". He's not. Just placing him in the proximity of the murderers from the ship and giving him "common enemies" with the Losties doesn't mean he's anything approaching a hero. His actions have shown that he could care less about them, in fact, that he could care less about anything other than holding onto his pathetic grip of power and his precious secrets. He's been hurt in his life, certainly, but he chose to become hateful and greedy as a result and more than a little sociopathic. He feels he's "better" than the Losties, the Others, Widmore, anyone really. He's an interesting character, I'll grant that, but I think the overwhelming emphasis on him really has undermined the potential for us ever to feel confident that the revelations about the island are, or will be, true. Consider this; the only two people who ever reveal anything about the island are Ben and Widmore. Ben is a pathological liar who's forays into the truth are self serving and half hearted, if true at all. Widmore's an obsessed billionaire who didn't seem to balk at mass murder in order to get Ben (though I'm not totally convinced Widmore knew that Keamy would be slaughtering 815 survivors, he may have assumed the only ones still there would be "others"; not that that makes it OK, but a bit less horrible considering that the "others" are pretty awful themselves). So nothing that either one says can really be taken as gospel, and that essential uncertainty about the veracity of their claims could lead to eventual disappointment. If they are the only "oracles" of the island, and neither of them can be trusted, how will we know at the end of the show if we have really "learned" anything?
Just my two cents worth,
Ok for all of those people whinning about the Lost season Finale quite crying. The Finale delivered everything we needed. Who was in the coffin, the rescuing of the Oceanic 6, explaining the deaths of Jin and Michael, and a great set up for next season. Those who are hating on the frozen donkey wheel you knew they were gonna move the island. It is perfect that it was the natives who had the way to move it and not the Dharma Intiative.
To Masao:
Who ever said the total Narrative of the show was getting rescued? I think the major question through out this show has been...where the hell are they? To this point we still don't really know.
The Smoke Monster was a let down, but you have to admit that absolute beat down the smoke monster did on the freighter people with Ben looking on full of vengence more than worked it was awesome.
Also if you didn't figure out that Locke was the one in the Coffine you weren't paying attention. Who else would eb considered neither friend or family to Jack except for Locke? Who else would have had no one there to care about him at his funeral other than Locke just like the rest of his life. The finale wasn't surprising, but left us having a great thing to look forward to next year. How did Locke die and how do they get back to the island to set up the last season of the series. Personally im more entertained then ever.
To Masao:
Who ever said the total Narrative of the show was getting rescued? I think the major question through out this show has been...where the hell are they? To this point we still don't really know.
The Smoke Monster was a let down, but you have to admit that absolute beat down the smoke monster did on the freighter people with Ben looking on full of vengence more than worked it was awesome.
Also if you didn't figure out that Locke was the one in the Coffine you weren't paying attention. Who else would eb considered neither friend or family to Jack except for Locke? Who else would have had no one there to care about him at his funeral other than Locke just like the rest of his life. The finale wasn't surprising, but left us having a great thing to look forward to next year. How did Locke die and how do they get back to the island to set up the last season of the series. Personally im more entertained then ever.
since the end of season two, the show has tried to jump the shark several times. but each time they only get one leg over before pulling back.
the smoke monster is ridiculous - But They Made It Work (i.e. barely using it and almost mocking it through the Locke/Ben dialogue).
the hydra island and the others being a happy community of normal people was retarded - But They Made It Work by barely featuring them. every episode which shows them back in the barracks living a normal life is like a knife in my brain, though. hopefully season five can alleviate that since locke is now their boss.
six of them getting off the island is absolutely HORRENDOUS as it guts the entire thrust of the show's main narrative, i.e. to be rescued. I always said this was a three-season show and in terms of the original theme and tone, I was right. but they changed the tone once in season 3 and even further in season 4. they've expanded the show's universe and put the losties in the middle of an epic battle over what is essentially a supernatural force. on the one hand you have the small but awesome ben, and on the other you have the rich brit. this is a complete tonal change, and could be construed as shark-jumpage, but we have to see where the writers go with it. the previous tonal shifts have led to good television (although nothing will beat season one and two, that tone and particular sense of mystery was so compelling) so will this?
locke being in the coffin is MASSIVE AND TOTAL SHARK JUMPAGE - Will They Make It Work? I'm wondering how. to be honest if locke dies before the end of the show, I can't see how it will have not jumped the shark. the jack/locke dynamic is CENTRAL to the show, and it cannot end like this. even if locke continues as a spirit or some other piece of ridiculuum, that won't be enough. it'll have to have been a fake death, or maybe a clone from the orchid, or use of those spiders that induce a death-like paralysis. all of these options are kinda lame, but are also world's better than locke being dead.
also, to one of the above posters. I hadn't considered that the island is the panopticon. I don't quite know if the analogy fits since in the panopticon they were all kept in seperate cells with a light constantly shone on them. this meant there was always a chance they were being watched (and they couldn't tell if they were or not), and as such, they eventually self-regulated their behaviour and eventually you didn't need guards. if anything this is more in-line with the pearl station, although were those in the other dharma stations aware of whether they were being watched or not?
also, for anyone who has studied philosophy the writers spoiled the finale right at the start. as soon as kate said jeremy bentham (AS IF locke would pick that as a pseudonym!) I knew that locke would be in the coffin.
the smoke monster is ridiculous - But They Made It Work (i.e. barely using it and almost mocking it through the Locke/Ben dialogue).
the hydra island and the others being a happy community of normal people was retarded - But They Made It Work by barely featuring them. every episode which shows them back in the barracks living a normal life is like a knife in my brain, though. hopefully season five can alleviate that since locke is now their boss.
six of them getting off the island is absolutely HORRENDOUS as it guts the entire thrust of the show's main narrative, i.e. to be rescued. I always said this was a three-season show and in terms of the original theme and tone, I was right. but they changed the tone once in season 3 and even further in season 4. they've expanded the show's universe and put the losties in the middle of an epic battle over what is essentially a supernatural force. on the one hand you have the small but awesome ben, and on the other you have the rich brit. this is a complete tonal change, and could be construed as shark-jumpage, but we have to see where the writers go with it. the previous tonal shifts have led to good television (although nothing will beat season one and two, that tone and particular sense of mystery was so compelling) so will this?
locke being in the coffin is MASSIVE AND TOTAL SHARK JUMPAGE - Will They Make It Work? I'm wondering how. to be honest if locke dies before the end of the show, I can't see how it will have not jumped the shark. the jack/locke dynamic is CENTRAL to the show, and it cannot end like this. even if locke continues as a spirit or some other piece of ridiculuum, that won't be enough. it'll have to have been a fake death, or maybe a clone from the orchid, or use of those spiders that induce a death-like paralysis. all of these options are kinda lame, but are also world's better than locke being dead.
also, to one of the above posters. I hadn't considered that the island is the panopticon. I don't quite know if the analogy fits since in the panopticon they were all kept in seperate cells with a light constantly shone on them. this meant there was always a chance they were being watched (and they couldn't tell if they were or not), and as such, they eventually self-regulated their behaviour and eventually you didn't need guards. if anything this is more in-line with the pearl station, although were those in the other dharma stations aware of whether they were being watched or not?
also, for anyone who has studied philosophy the writers spoiled the finale right at the start. as soon as kate said jeremy bentham (AS IF locke would pick that as a pseudonym!) I knew that locke would be in the coffin.
before anyone complains about lost, they need to remember that this show answers every question with another question, always. i think it has jumped the shark with season 4 because of the writers strike, i feel like they scrapped some ideas (i read that they were going to explain libby's backstory) and made the transition from season 4 to 4.5 a little shaky. However, it is still a decent show. It has changed since season 1 and 2, but i thought it sucked when they introduced ana lucia.
Remember though, JJ and damon are pretty smart guys:
-everyone was watching survivor, so he took a reality show and made it fiction
-added 1 part x-files mystery (and when they explain the secrets they give you 2 more to wonder about, black oil alien/black smoke monster?)
-added x-men love triangles. jack is cyclops, kate is jean grey, sawyer is wolverine (you know how he growls all the time), locke is proffesor x (bald wheelchair leader?), juliet is white queen, desmond is cable (traveling through time), ben is magneto (locke's rival that he respects), and im sure there is tons more.
-added powers. "heroes" is lost's competition, so he gave the characters super powers. desmond's is obvious. locke's is obvious, hurley talks to dead people, michael wont die (until his work is done), and richard alpert doesnt age.
any thing else? im going to bed
Remember though, JJ and damon are pretty smart guys:
-everyone was watching survivor, so he took a reality show and made it fiction
-added 1 part x-files mystery (and when they explain the secrets they give you 2 more to wonder about, black oil alien/black smoke monster?)
-added x-men love triangles. jack is cyclops, kate is jean grey, sawyer is wolverine (you know how he growls all the time), locke is proffesor x (bald wheelchair leader?), juliet is white queen, desmond is cable (traveling through time), ben is magneto (locke's rival that he respects), and im sure there is tons more.
-added powers. "heroes" is lost's competition, so he gave the characters super powers. desmond's is obvious. locke's is obvious, hurley talks to dead people, michael wont die (until his work is done), and richard alpert doesnt age.
any thing else? im going to bed
I wrote this paper for a history class in college about Jeremy Bentham (a British utilitarian philosopher from the late 1700s) and his design for a new kind of prison called the "Panopticon" - which was novel in that it allowed the prison guards to observe all of the prisoners from the middle of the prison looking outward, without the prisoners knowing they were being watched at all times. I went back and looked up some stuff on the Panopticon, and its design resembles the Dharma symbol. Also, Jeremy Bentham was around at the same time as another, and much more famous, English philosopher, John Locke. Look for this all to tie in next season and beyond. This also lets me know that Lost's writers aren't as dumb as this season led me to believe they are....but still, it's been hard to take season 4 seriously. I'm still watching though.
Meanwhile, Ben's people, a/k/a the artists formerly known as the "others", follow him blindly and will do absolutely anything for him, and are able to rescue him from a group of highly skilled and heavily armed guerillas, but they couldn't storm the beach and spring him from the hatch, where he was guarded by one person with a gun, so instead they had to capture and "turn" Michael? Come on.
Meanwhile, Ben's people, a/k/a the artists formerly known as the "others", follow him blindly and will do absolutely anything for him, and are able to rescue him from a group of highly skilled and heavily armed guerillas, but they couldn't storm the beach and spring him from the hatch, where he was guarded by one person with a gun, so instead they had to capture and "turn" Michael? Come on.
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